Sorry about my angle, there's nothing to prop up my camera in the education center. I am experienced handling both snakes, never handle a snake that you aren't 100% sure about their behavior, even if they don't have fangs.
Natalie is commonly thought of as an educator to cis white leftists and liberals and I don't think that's a good thing because of all the things she's said and tweeted about non passing trans people, non traditionally presenting trans people, and nonbinary people, and she might pass her views on to her audience.
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